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Rocka's avatar

The original said Eusebius listed 1 Enoch as rejected. That was imprecise. His canon categories in Historia Ecclesiastica 3.25 were strictly for New Testament apostolic texts. 1 Enoch wasn't rejected by him, it wasn't on his list at all.

Which is actually the sharper point. By the fourth century, 1 Enoch wasn't even arriving at the Western sorting table. The exclusion was already inherited before the formal canon process ran. The councils didn't examine it and vote it out. They received a tradition that had already sidelined it and never questioned the inheritance.

Ethiopia never participated in that sidelining. The text stayed Scripture the whole way through.

The rest of the piece stands.

Mary Dee's avatar

The missing puzzle that tells the rest of the story.

With the apocrypha the Bible is truly complete. You don’t need anyone’s help to help you understand the complete Bible.

Stephen Pellegrino's avatar

I generally love all your stuff. Here's what Grok had to say though about Eusebius' categorization: "This is a fair summary of his approach—he was reporting the consensus (or lack thereof) in the churches of his time, especially those under Roman/orthodox influence.

Inaccurate Part: 1 Enoch

Eusebius did not list 1 Enoch (Ethiopic Enoch) as rejected (or in any category) in his canon discussion.

1 Enoch is never mentioned in Church History 3.25 or his other main canon-related passages.

It falls outside the scope of his New Testament discussion entirely. 1 Enoch is a Jewish pseudepigraphal work (not a Christian NT text), and Eusebius’s lists focus on writings associated with apostles or their immediate circle.

While Eusebius was aware of traditions from 1 Enoch (e.g., he references the “sons of God” story in Preparation for the Gospel), he does not treat it as a candidate for the canon or explicitly reject it there"

Rocka's avatar

You're right on the Eusebius specifics. His canon lists in Historia Ecclesiastica 3.25 are focused on New Testament apostolic writings, 1 Enoch wasn't a candidate for that list, so saying he placed it in the rejected category overclaims. That sentence will be corrected.

The broader argument doesn't move though. The Western councils still excluded Enoch. Ethiopia still kept it. Jude 14-15 still quotes it as prophecy and that's in every Bible on earth. Those are the load-bearing points.

One thing worth noting on the Grok citation, genuinely as advice: AI models are trained predominantly on Western academic and theological sources. They will give you accurate answers within that framework and systematically underweight Ethiopian, Syriac, and Coptic traditions. Use them as a starting point, not a verdict. Always verify with primary sources. That applies to my work too. Don't take my word for it either, go read Church History 3.25 yourself. That's the whole point of the piece.

Stephen Pellegrino's avatar

Agreed. Thanks!

Rocka's avatar

KC works as an investigation for the public, which is why I encourage discussion and correction rather than an echo chamber. My conviction in the Ethiopian canon is rock solid, but sometimes I can make small historical mistakes, and I need more readers like you to correct me.

Allen Daves's avatar

ISLAM-JW & TRINITARIANS= 2- OPOSITE SIDES OF SAME EXACT HERESY THAT STATES JESUS IS A DIFFERENT PERSON THEN GOD THE FATHER.

GOD IS A MODALIST -JESUS IS PART OF GOD WHICH GOD MANIFESTED OF HIMSELF IN HUMAN FLESH NOT A 2ND OR DIFFERENT PERSON.

The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today God said He is one; Satan’s children come along & say no "three in one" is more WISE & humble in the face of God’s grandeur in “a mystery”

THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTAINT THEOLOGICAL ISSUE & COMMANDMENT UNDER THE LAW & CHRIST CAME TO FULLFILL IS 👇👇👇 

Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The 💥MOST IMPORTANT💥 is, 'Hear, O Israel: THE LORD OUR GOD, the Lord IS ONE. 

If you cannot grasp the simple concept of "ONE" then the rest of all of theology (good or bad) is moot. There is a big difference between modalisim - one person who is God manifested in three different ways verse three different persons with diffiferent minds, amounts of Knowledge, power & authority over each other. 

Rom 1:20. For THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, EVEN his eternal power AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE;…

Man is made in the image of God (the image that he uses primarily when described in scripture)

First: “CLEARLY SEEN” …”EVEN HIS GODHEAD”…Can’t appeal to “beyond the limited human mind to comprehend” …..Can’t appeal to “Incomprehensible”:

There is a big difference between MODALISIM - one person who is God manifested in three different ways verse TRINITY= three different persons with diffiferent minds, amounts of Knowledge, power & authority over each other.

1) THESON=

Jesus is only a son by vertue of the fact that the human flesh that the SINGULAR GOD occupied belonged to God personaly there was no other spirit in Jesus to lay claim to the male human flesh/son of marry/"SON OF MAN" ...erogo "son OF GOD" bleonging to God (as a possesion) not a second or different person!! 

Psalms  2:7  I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, THOU ART MY SON THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE; The spirit of God has always existed but the union of human flesh animated by the spirit of GOD himself did not exist till the human flesh was conceived, & born. Different conditions do NOT = different persons. 

🔥2) GOD ALMIGHTY CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO SEND HIMSELF, AND NOT ANOTHER PERSON!!

God uses "modalisim" to explain who God would send.. So, why doesn't everyone??

Your right arm, sits at your right hand & is WITH YOU & IT IS YOU, it can only know & comunicate what your head gives it, even differntly as your mouth moves simoultaniously & yet is is equal to you and not a different person!?!) God using a modalistic explanation of himself is the truth.

Psalms 118:16 💪THE RIGHT HAND💪of the LORD is ✝️EXALTED✝️

(”lifted up” John 12:32 And I, if I be ✝️lifted up✝️ from the earth... 33... signifying what death he should die....

John 17:1.., Father, the hour is come; ✝️GLORIFY thy Son,✝️ that thy Son also may glorify thee:):

....... THE 💪RIGHT HAND💪 of the LORD DOETH VALIANTLY.....

Psalms 98:1...: 💪HIS RIGHT HAND,💪 and 💪HIS HOLY ARM,💪 HATH GOTTEN HIM THE VICTORY......2. The Lord hath MADE KNOWN 💢HIS SALVATION💢 

Isaiah  43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and MY SERVANT whom I have chosen: that ye may KNOW  and BELIEVE me, and UNDERSTAND that  ✝️I AM HE✝️....11 I, even I, am the LORD; and 💢BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR💢.  43:13 Yea, BEFORE THE DAY was✝️I AM HE✝️; 

(John  8:58 Jesus said.....BEFORE Abraham was, ✝️I AM ✝️. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:...) 👈THIS IS A SPECIFIC TIME JESUS SPECIFICALY CLAIMS TO BE GOD & THEY UNDERSTOOD HIM PERFECTLY!! 

Isaiah 53: 1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is 💪THE ARM OF THE LORD💪

REVEALED?

ISAIAH 52:6.. MY PEOPLE SHALL 🎯KNOW MY NAME🎯 therefore THEY SHALL KNOW  IN THAT DAY that ✝️I AM HE✝️ that doth speak: behold✝️,IT IS I✝️ .. ..,… 10. THE LORD HATH MADE BARE 💪HIS HOLY ARM💪.. 

John 8:24....IF YE BELIEVE NOT that ✝️I AM HE✝️, ye shall DIE IN YOUR SINS…. 28. ... LIFTED UP the Son of man, THEN shall ye KNOW that ✝️I AM HE✝️ 

You cant claim to believe that "I am HE" if you believe Jesus is a different person then God Father because to you Jesus is not HE but "some other different person sent by Him"!?! 

"WHO" it was (what person) that came "IN THE FLESH", IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person!! 

3) THE FATHER=

Isaiah9:6.  For unto us a child is born, unto us A SON IS GIVEN: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, COUNSELLER, (Holy Spirit) THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER,…

1Cor 6:1.......; and I will receive you. 18. And WILL BE A FATHER UNTO YOU, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith THE LORD ALMIGHTY. 

Jeremiah 3:…18.  IN THOSE DAYS  and shalt not turn away from me 19.  ..and I said, THOU SHALT CALL ME, MY FATHER; 

( Eph 4:6.  One God AND Father of all) 

Malachi 2:10 Have we not all ONE FATHER? (Jn 41:8/ Heb 12:9) hath not ONE GOD 

H) John 14: 8....Lord, SHEW US THE FATHER,.. 9.  Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 

The "oneness" between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say "When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?" Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip..... The whole point to Christ statements is that he is the SAME person as the father. 

Elohim said "let us", but most dont understand that elohim is NOT the name of god. It is a classifycation of life no different then PLANT life; ANIMAL life; HUMAN life; ELOHIM life

If a king comments before his servants "let us " ,why would anyone think he was refering to one of the other multiple personalities of himself as opposed to making a comment to HIs companions or royal court?!?

20pg clifts notes version

https://www.scribd.com/document/844419833/20-Page-Summary-PDF-1

Full book

https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy

https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY

Allen Daves's avatar

The real problem is that people have absolutly no real idea what the gospel is...

THE GOSPEL JESUS PREACHED WAS NOT DEATH BURIAL & RESURECTION ...HE HARDLY EVER MENTIONED IT!

Many point to verse such as 1 Cor 15:1-4. The first mention of the term "THE GOSPEL" is way back in CH 1!👈💥& Ch 15 itself is about the return of Christ & the resurection of the dead!!

💥1 Cor 1:6. Even as THE TESTIMONY OF CHRIST WAS CONFIRMED IN YOU: 7. … WAITING FOR ⚡⚡THE COMING OF OUR LORD⚡⚡ Jesus Christ:  

💥2 Thess 2:1....WE BESEECH YOU, brethren, 💥BY💥 ⚡⚡THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM⚡⚡, … 14. Whereunto he called you ⚡⚡BY OUR GOSPEL⚡⚡ .  

💥2Thess 3:5. And the Lord DIRECT YOUR HEARTS into the love of God, AND INTO THE PATIENT ⚡⚡WAITING FOR CHRIST.⚡

 Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of (2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of (3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..These are THE TRUE SAYINGS of God. .10…for the TESTIMONY of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.)

THE OLD SONG OF MOSES v THE NEW SONG OF THD LAMB......"GET IT" YET?!?

SONG OF MOSES:

Deut 4:26 ye shall soon UTTERLY PERISH ... but shall UTTERLY be ⚠️DESTROYED⚠️...30 When thou art in 🚨TRIBULATION🚨 and ALL THESE THINGS COME UPON THEE, even in ⏰THE LATTER DAYS⏰...   

Deut 30:1.....WHEN ALL THESE THINGS ARE COME.. THE 🎯BLESSING🎯 and THE 🚨CURSE🚨,....19. Now therefore WRITE YE 🎶THIS SONG🎶... .20. ....and break my covenant. 21.when many evils and 🚨TROUBLES🚨 ...🎶THIS SONG🎶 SHALL TESTIFY AGAINST THEM AS A WITNESS; ...: 22. MOSES THEREFORE WROTE 🎶THIS SONG🎶 the same day.

Deut 31 :29..EVIL .⏰THE LATTER DAYS⏰ 

Deut 32:17. They 👹SACRIFICED UNTO DEVILS👹, (PS 106:35-37 & Rev 9:20) ..43. REJOICE, O ye nations,.. for HE WILL AVENGE THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS, and will RENDER 🚨VENGEANCE🚨(Luke 21:22)..... 44..Moses.. spake 🎶ALL THE WORDS OF THIS SONG🎶

THIS IS WHY THEY PERSECUTED JESUS. THEY DID NOT PERSECUTE JESUS BECAUSE HE PREACHED "DO GOOD DEEDS"

WHAT DID CHRIST PREACH? 👇  

Luke 4:18/ Isaiah 61:1… The spirit of the Lord is upon me ......TO PROCLAIM acceptable ⏰YEAR OF THE LORD⏰ and THE DAY OF 🚨VENGEANCE🚨

Lk 21: 20. And WHEN YE SHALL SEE ⚠️JERUSALEM COMPASSED⚠️ WITH ARMIES, THEN KNOW THAT THE ⚠️DESOLATION⚠️ THEREOF IS NIGH .... 22. THESE BE THE DAYS OF 🚨VENGEANCE,🚨 that ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BE 💪FULLFILLED💪... 28 ....for your 🎯REDEMPTION🎯 DRAWETH NIGH

They thought Messiah was going to kill everyone who was not a Biological jew in Israel, but Gods "humor" was to destroy all biological jews & START ANEW WITH JUST JESUS "THE SEED" (💥 Rembember God wanted to start over with just moses at Mt Sini But Moses pleaded with God.💥)

⛔DANIEL 9) CONFIRMATION CONSUMATION & LAW CHANGED⛔

👉(💥A💥).. ⚠️DESTROY⚠️... CITY . SANCTUARY... THE END THEREOF SHALL BE WITH A 💦FLOOD💦 💥 (Mat 24 :39 ..until the 💦FLOOD💦 CAME ...so shall.. coming of..Son of man)

Nahum 1: 2... LORD REVENGETH; ....WILL TAKE 🚨VENGEANCE🚨...5. 🔥🌏THE MOUNTAINS QUAKE ...THE HILLS MELT, AND THE EARTH IS BURNED.. THE WORLD, AND ALL THAT DWELL THEREIN🔥🌏...7..IN 🚨THE DAYOF TROUBLE;🚨 ...8...AN OVERRUNNING 💦FLOOD💦... MAKE AN UTTER ⚠️END OF THE PLACE⚠️...10 ...THEY.. DEVOURED AS STUBBLE FULLY DRY...15... THE FEET OF HIM THAT BRINGETH 😇GOOD TIDINGS, THAT PUBLISHETH PEACE!😇

1 Peter 4:7...🔥🌏END OF ALL THINGS IS ST HAND🔥🌏....17 TIME IS COME that JUDGMENT must BEGIN (not end)

👉1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye 👹IDOLATERS👹,.. 11...they are written for our admonition, upon whom 🔥🌏THE ENDS OF THE WORLD ARE COME🔥🌏20 ... the Gentiles sacrifice, they 👹SACRIFICE to DEVILS👹

👉(💥B💥) …UNTO THE END OF THE WAR ⚠️DESOLATIONS⚠️ ARE DETERMINED. 27.. shall ✝️🎶CONFIRM THE COVENANT🎶✝️ WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK:

1) Rev 1:7.. cometh with clouds.👁👁EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM.. THEY ALSO WHICH PIERCED HIM👁👁... (Acts 2:5) THE EARTH SHALL 💧WAIL💧 BECAUSE OF HIM.

Zech 12:1.. ⚠️WHEN THEY SHALL BE IN THE SIEGE⚠️.. 6. IN THAT DAY....👁👁THEYSHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED👁👁, THEY SHALL 💧MOURN💧 ..11. A GREAT MOURNING IN JERUSALEM...INTHE VALLEY OF ☢☠MEGIDDON*☠☢

Rev 16:14 For they are the 👹SPIRITS OF DEVILS👹 working miracles, ... to☢☠GATHER THEM TO BATTLE☠☢of ⏰THAT GREAT DAY⏰ Almighty. 15. I COME AS A THIEF. .. 16. And HE GATHERED THEM....☢☠ARMAGEDDON☠☢

Zech 14:1. THE ⏰DAY OF THE LORD⏰ COMETH, .. 2.... GATHER ALL NATIONS....⚠️THE CITY SHALL BE TAKEN⚠️

👉(💥A💥) …IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK (AD 70)... CAUSE THE 🎶SACRIFICE🎶 AND.. ⛔🎶OBLATION TO CEASE🎶⛔

Heb 7 :12..the PRIESTHOOD being ⛔CHANGED,⛔ there is made of necessity a ⛔CHANGE⛔ also of the LAW...

THE SONG OF THE LAMB

Psalms 40:3...he hath put ✝️🎶A NEW SONG✝️🎶 in my mouth,..6 ⛔Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; .. burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.⛔ 7....Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

👉(💥B💥) …MAKE IT ⚠️DESOLATE⚠️, EVEN UNTIL THE 🎯CONSUMMATION🎯

👉1 Cor 13:8  PROPHECIES.. FAIL.. TONGUES,.. CEASE....10 🎯WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME🎯, then that which is in part shall be done away

FURTHER, IF HEAVEN & EARTH HAS NOT PASSED AWAY THEN THE LAW OF MOSES IS STILL REQUIRED & IN EFFECT NOW!?!

Mat 5:18.....🔥🌏Till HEVEAN AND EARTH PASS🔥🌏 one jot...shall in no wise pass from the law, 💪TILL ALL BE FULLFILLED💪

The earth that burned up & pass away was a people-> Israel NOT a planet!! Man is made of EARTH..... Its not UR world or world of the Maya that was to burn up melt & pass away with a great noise... Popular ideas of Jesus return & "the last day" is from theological Nimrods.

There is exactly 666yrs between Nebecarnezars 1st year over Isreal 596BC and it's final total complete destruction in AD70....

Daniel 9:11 ....therefore THE CURSE IS POURED UPON US, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. .....24. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,..........

This fact is also irrespective of peoples ideas of the AD/BC date line which ironically is also proven to be correct..

PERIOD OF THE CURSE LASTED 666Yrs IT. BEGAN WITH A 70 YEAR PERIOD UNDER BABYLON & ENDED WITH "THE LAST DAYS" = A 70 YEAR PERIOD UNDER ROME

596BC.....................70AD

[...........666yrs...........]

[70yr)-------------(70yrs]

The mark his name, the number of his name is TRANSGRESSION, OR BLASPHEMY OR SIN

THE LAST DAYS" = 70 yrs from birth of Christ to AD 70.

Anyone claiming to be a biological jew & or of biological Israel is either a fraud & liar, delusional or seriously mentaly ill.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom

https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

Texas 1130's avatar

Also, Allen, perhaps you spellcheck.

Allen Daves's avatar

Its not quite that simple but I do share the sentiment.

Texas 1130's avatar

It's simply that your thoughts are so deeply thought out and intelligent, and expressed so well that I don't want misspellings to bely the value. The text is underlined to indicate the issue.

Thank you again for your insights, as I sent them on to others.

Texas 1130's avatar

Sent your text to me and I'll spellcheck it!!!

Texas 1130's avatar

Allen, for years I have struggled to describe Christ adequately to non-believing friends. They love God, still in trying to share the Jesus I love, and it comes close to what you say in 3 different expressions of one, you've taken it a breath farther. When one feels Him a part of oneself it is obvious, blatant, but when one is outside looking in it is almost like telling someone one to love another, which we can't make ourselves do. Love comes from within, not without. God is much easier to bring others to; Jesus must come from within. Thank you for all your wisdom shared here, as you have given me the clearer way to at least put the key in the lock, though they still have to turn it.

Jaya Jeff Sims's avatar

Controlling the language and texts, especially so-called sacred scripture, is one important way they control the population.

Sun Love Pax's avatar

Thank you for providing this information. It’s very interesting to learn more about this topic. I like that you make it very easy to understand what’s going on with these texts and why books were and weren’t included.

Texas 1130's avatar

Thank you so much, as I only knew part of this. Grateful.