So many of these things came alive for me once I understood biblical cosmology. As you say it "truly is the living word". I love 1enoch, 1&2 esdras, jasher, jubilees. My small home group has gone through many deep studies on different topics spanning all the books. A few often quoted phrases among us are "God does not repeat himself without reason", and "what do we see by the weight of scripture? " which means gather everything we can find on a topic, all sides, read them all, and let the scripture interpret itself. We have things we are sure about, and we have some "table topics" meaning we do not claim to have full understanding yet. Those remain open until full understanding is revealed by the Holy ghost and confirmed by the scripture. One reminder for both of you, something you both know.
As we saw yesterday, this tends to bring out a knee jerk fear reaction in some people. My best advice to them? Be a Berean. Ask questions. Compare the texts to the scripture you have in the 66 books.
Book of Jasher is referenced in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18.
Acts of Solomon is referenced in 1 Kings 11:41
Book of Samuel the Seer is referenced in 1 Chronicles 29:29
Book of Nathan the Prophet is referenced in 1 Chronicles 29:29.
There is much more. The Lord is not afraid of questions. In fact He tells us to be like children. As a child? I asked a ton of questions about everything. I still do. How else do we grow?
I have appreciated reading many of what today say are extra biblical books were actually originally included in the Septuagint, and helped give a broader understanding of other scriptures within the 66 canonical books. I appreciate deeply the Ethipoc book of Enoch, 1 & 2 Esdras, book of Giants. Book of Judith.
The book of Jasher we have is highly unlikely to be the original one as mentioned in Joshua chapter 10. Yet I certainly can concur with Solomon: And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:12-14
Too many sadly go to the scriptures and not to Jesus Christ. Like he said himself, "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. I do not receive glory from people. John 5:39-41
Many only have head knowledge and may get some good idea from bible study but no true revelation from by & through the holy Spirit. People go to the bible but they very often have never sought Jesus, Jesus stated to the Pharisees scribes etc, that they searched through the scriptures that testified about HIM but refused to go to him directly, and wouldn't accept him, as they had all these preconceived ideas and their thinking and heads were stuffed full of theologians ideologies and other thousands of scrolls by their learned rabbi's and leaders of their day these fallible men's understandings that distorted polluted and corrupted the truths of God & their minds & thinking.
Carnal reasonings of the mind only lead astray.
These had a very close relationship with the scriptures but not with Almighty Creator God Himself. They actually elevated their own thinking above God and his truths. And it's not that much different today. That when Jesus came, he shook their entire paradigm of how they saw things and how they perceived the interpretations of scripture instead of the reality and their own arrogance of pride veiled and prevented their ability to be open to accept Jesus as who he said that he was and blocked their own way to the kingdom of heaven and to the life giving Spirit of God himself. But are exceptional religious people yet their hearts minds & attitudes are never renewed transformed, nor regenerated. Yet let's still be kind compassionate and forgiving to the merely religious. Let's never hold the resentful attitude of the elder brother of the prodigal son to others.
Many also idolise the bible and get puffed up with knowledge to receive praises honour and glory from others, impressing others of what they think they know. We are to always pray asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may grant us a spirit of wisdom and of revelation that gives us a deep and personal and intimate insight into the true knowledge of Him. To eat from the tree of life, not the tree of knowledge that only leads to death to the eater and death to the hearer, satan successfully sidetracked and diverted tricked & deceived Eve to the tree of knowledge, not the tree of life. We do not want to allow ourselves to be deceived by the serpent's cunning, that our minds may somehow be led astray from our sincere and pure devotion to Christ, as that is what the life of Jesus is meant to be in us, his words are spirit and of life. Man does not live on bread alone or the bible alone but from every word that proceeds forth out of God's mouth. Not that proceeds out of the bible. Matthew 4:4
Jesus said to learn from him! So let's go to him as the only way to the father & allow ourselves to be so humbled of pride as well as all self seeking removed & sit at Jesus' feet letting him to teach us as our greatest teacher, Master and Shepherd, and indeed allow the holy Spirit to guide and lead us into all truth because with Christ we can do all things, without him we can do nothing.
What a truly wonderful God& father in Heaven we serve whom is so faithful to us! The wisdom of God is nothing like the wisdom of men, human wisdom which is foolishness with God.
Jesus affirmed all of Scripture as a guide, and the apostles wrote to test everything by Scripture, that’s the anchor point. So I’m curious: how do you truly know Christ without studying Scripture?
You have misunderstood what is being said, please read it again. Of course I read scripture and the extra books too and have since a child. The point is we have to be drawn to Jesus by Heavenly father and go to Jesus have Jesus reveal himself to us personally as we see Heavenly father revealed Himself to all the faithful peoples of the past inclusive of Enoch. We have to have received being made alive in the spirit, have repented & become new creations in Christ having been crucified buried died and entered into newness of spirit of the power of the exchanged resurrection life of Jesus in to ours, and the only way we can ever understand God's words is through & via the spirit. Through our Heavenly father through our shepherd Jesus and via God's holy spirit into our spirit then our very soul our mind heart will and emotions, & whom opens the very understandings to such;
They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?” Luke 24:32
I read the scriptures and all the extra books for many many years from my childhood up, it was not until I received being reborn in and through God's holy spirit was I made alive in the spirit and met Jesus & have him reveal himself to me and give me true spiritual rebirth and anointing in the spirit did i truly begin understanding all I had read, some things were given but they were very sparse, until by God's grace did Jesus truly open all the scriptures to me. I then understood so much in a moment of all I had been reading that I didn't ever truly grasp before. I also have written about that in greater detail in a few of my articles about spiritual truth is discerned in the Spirit, & the fatal problem of the protestant way.
Again, you are misunderstanding, I have known the truths of Genesis 6 in combination with the Ethiopic book of Encoh since a child. But until I received holy spirit rebirth was when the truths of all Gods words and contained within scriptures truly were opened up to me.
The book of Noah is fascinating and helpful in understanding how Noah's descendants inhabited the whole earth and the tribes and nations that came from Shem , Ham and Japheth and their wives. The book of Gad the seer is very useful too. The testament of the patriarchs & of Levi helpful in seeing how prophetic it truly was especially concerning what they had become when Jesus arrived on the scene amongst the mess of the differing sects and denominations and especially of the Pharisees, scribes, & Saducces amongst many others. The testament of Amram & the documents of scrolls found on the Heavenly Prince of Melichizedek, The wisdom literature, The war scrolls, The ancient law of Kings etc all very interesting yet if you don't as yet know Jesus in holy intimacy this information means nothing and is valueless unless one is truly are walking according to God's holy spirit and are Christ Jesus indwelt and infilled are given illumination and enlightenment via the spirit about what it means to have been delivered from Babylon and Egypt from Pharaoh from all of satan's system and his entire kingdom of darkness. And how we are to live in loving obedience seated in heavenly places as citizens of God's heavenly kingdom whilst being citizens upon this earthly realm and dimension and how to touch no unclean thing, only then will God become a father to us and we his sons and daughters.
1 Enoch existed in fragments before Jude wrote (Dead Sea Scrolls prove this, 11 copies found, dated 200-100 BC) Jude quotes Enoch 1:9 verbatim in Jude 14-15. Whether he quoted the "compiled book" or earlier Enochic tradition doesn't change the fact, he cited Enoch as authoritative prophecy.
There is no evidence that a fully canonized, unified “Book of Enoch” existed at Qumran. What the Dead Sea Scrolls preserve are multiple Enochic fragments, spread across different compositions and forms, reflecting a living Enochic tradition, not a finalized biblical book with fixed boundaries.
That distinction matters.
Jude does not say, “as it is written in the Book of Enoch.” He says, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…”, appealing to a named ancestral figure and prophetic tradition, not citing a canonical book. This aligns with Second Temple Jewish practice, where authoritative traditions circulated orally and textually without being Scripture.
Crucially, the language Jude uses was not exclusive to Enochic texts at all. The same judgment imagery, God coming with myriads of holy ones to execute judgment, appears in multiple non-Enochic texts preserved at Qumran and in the Hebrew Scriptures themselves (e.g., Deuteronomy 33:2, Psalm 68:17, Zechariah 14:5, Daniel 7, and sectarian Dead Sea Scroll texts). This means Jude could have been drawing from a broader Second Temple apocalyptic tradition, not from a specific book, whether “compiled” or not.
Yes, Jude’s wording aligns closely with language later preserved in 1 Enoch 1:9, but that wording belongs to a shared tradition, not to a documented, closed “Book of Enoch” canon. Jude’s appeal is to Enoch the figure, not to Enoch the book.
For this reason, the claim that “Western Christianity deleted what Jude quoted” fails at its foundation. You cannot delete a book that was never universally received as a book. What existed was a respected prophetic stream, valued by some communities, preserved by Ethiopia, and never canonized across Judaism or the early Jesus movement.
Preservation is not proof of original canonical status. And tradition is not the same thing as a closed canon.
Enochic material existed before Jude. Yes, some early writers valued it. None of that establishes a universally recognized, canonical “Book of Enoch.” What we see instead, both in Judaism and early Jesus-movement communities, is disagreement from the start, not later deletion.
Jude cites Enoch the ancestral figure, "Not a Book", and he does not use a scriptural citation formula. His language reflects a shared Second Temple judgment tradition also found in Deuteronomy 33, Psalms, Zechariah, Daniel, and non-Enochic Dead Sea Scroll texts. Quotation does not equal canonization.
Carthage did not remove Enoch from a universal Bible. It affirmed a regional list already in use. Non-reception is not suppression. Ethiopia later preserved and elevated Enoch within its own tradition, which deserves respect, but regional preservation does not retroactively establish original universal authority.
And this is the largest unresolved problem. There is no stable text of “the Book of Enoch.” The Dead Sea Scrolls preserve fragmented and diverse Enochic compositions, not a single book. "The Ethiopic version reflects later compilation, expansion, and redaction. Between Qumran and Ethiopia there are additions, omissions, and changes, which is the opposite of what we would expect for a canonized Scripture".
"You cannot claim" something was deleted from the canon when it was never universally canonized and when "there is no fixed text" to delete in the first place.
Preservation shows influence. Variation shows tradition. Canon requires stability and consensus, and that is precisely what the Enochic material does not have.
You haven’t shown circular reasoning, you’ve asserted it.
Circular reasoning would require me to say “the Western canon is correct because it’s the Western canon.” I never did that.
My argument does not appeal to Rome at all. It appeals to independent evidence: textual instability, lack of a fixed Enoch text, fragmented Dead Sea Scroll witnesses, and absence of universal reception.
Disagreeing with your conclusion is not the same as demonstrating circular reasoning.
This isn’t about choosing Rome or Ethiopia. It’s about method.
I’m not appealing to Western consensus. I’m appealing to evidence that exists independently of Rome or Ethiopia, namely textual stability, manuscript history, and cross-community reception.
The central issue has never been "preservation versus suppression". It is that the Enochic material "shows significant variation from Qumran to later Ethiopic forms, with additions, omissions, and redactions". "That alone disqualifies" it from functioning as a universally canonized Scripture in the period you’re claiming.
When disagreement is reframed as corruption and evidence is reframed as “choosing sides,” the conversation stops being historical. At that point it becomes confessional allegiance, not analysis.
editing Bible is not gonna hurt those who worship Jesus in Spirit and in Truth our reason for exsisting… I have Holy Spirit Fire I lack nothing. I only just heard about this topic; made me more in Awe of My Creator Made me want to worship Jesus More every moment
Rocka, you are raising a real and worthwhile question about Jude’s citation of Enoch. Any serious reader of Scripture should pause at Jude 1:14–15 and ask how the apostles understood the Enochic tradition. But the conclusion you draw from this single quotation — that the Church engaged in a deliberate suppression of “forbidden intelligence,” that the canon was intentionally “edited” to neutralize spiritual warfare, and that Ethiopia alone guarded the “complete Covenant Archive” — rests on claims that the data simply cannot sustain.
The heart of the issue is this: quoting a text does not canonize the text. The New Testament itself demonstrates this repeatedly. Paul quotes Aratus and Epimenides. Luke draws from Greco-Roman historiographical conventions. The author of Hebrews engages Second Temple interpretive traditions far beyond the Old Testament text. The Gospels preserve sayings and prophecies of people who never wrote inspired books. Jude can affirm the truth of a statement attributed to Enoch without declaring the entire composite work known as 1 Enoch to be inspired Scripture. This is not a dodge; it is how prophecy and canon actually function.
In Scripture, prophecy is broader than Scripture. Many prophets never wrote canonical books. Elijah, Elisha, Gad, Nathan, Micaiah, and the daughters who prophesied in Acts all delivered true revelation, yet we possess no “Book of Elijah” or “Book of Nathan” in the canon. Jude’s use of an Enochic saying places Enoch in that category: a patriarch who truly prophesied, whose prophetic memory was partially preserved in later literature, and whose words Jude — under the Spirit’s inspiration — could affirm. But inspiration of one preserved statement does not extend retroactively to every later composition bearing his name. The Book of Enoch was not written by the historical Enoch but is a collection of texts produced across centuries. The apostles knew this. The early Church knew this. That is why its status remained contested.
The claim that Western Christianity “censored” Enoch misunderstands the actual historical record. 1 Enoch was widely read in the early Church. Fathers such as Tertullian valued it highly; others were more cautious. But the decisive criterion for canon was not whether a text was ancient, interesting, or influential — it was whether the apostolic churches, across diverse regions, read it in the liturgy as the inspired word of God. Enoch never achieved that universal reception. Ethiopia retained it; most other apostolic churches did not. That divergence does not prove corruption. It proves that different local traditions existed and that the universal Church, guided by worship and apostolic teaching, did not recognize the text as normative for all believers.
Your narrative assumes what it must prove: that the councils “removed” something formerly included. But no ecumenical council ever struck Enoch from a canon, because Enoch was never part of the authoritative canon used in Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, or Constantinople. Its presence in Ethiopia is an important witness to diversity in early Christian practice, but it is not evidence that Rome “edited” a previously universal archive.
Your explanation for this alleged suppression — that Enoch reveals dangerous secrets about technology, spiritual rebellion, and the foundations of modern society — relies on reading the text through a contemporary lens. Enoch’s discussions of heavenly beings, forbidden knowledge, and the corruption of humanity belong to the apocalyptic imagination of Second Temple Judaism. Those themes are real and important, but they do not contain a hidden blueprint for geopolitics, finance, or media. They provide moral and theological commentary on human wickedness, angelic rebellion, and the need for divine judgment. To convert these symbolic visions into a literal playbook for the modern world collapses genre, exaggerates historical influence, and obscures the spiritual truths the text actually conveys.
Your appeal to the Ethiopian Church deserves respect but also clarity. Ethiopia preserved several texts that the rest of the Church did not canonize. That is part of the richness of Christian tradition. But canon is not determined by isolation; it is determined by continuity with the apostolic churches as a whole. Ethiopia’s canon represents its own historical development, not a pristine archive that Rome supposedly mutilated. And Ethiopia itself has never claimed that its canon invalidates all others, or that the rest of Christianity is “Babylonian.” That rhetoric is yours, not theirs.
The larger pattern in your argument remains consistent across your writings: you frame the Church’s historical discernment as a covert intelligence operation designed to hide the truth. But the evidence points in a different direction. The canon emerged from prayer, worship, martyrdom, and theological debate. The Church rejected texts not because they exposed “operational tactics” of fallen angels but because they lacked apostolic authorship, universal reception, and doctrinal coherence with the faith handed down. That is not suppression. It is stewardship.
If the goal is to take Jude seriously, then take him fully seriously. Jude does not direct his readers to seek hidden archives, reconstruct ancient calendars, or decode geopolitical maps. He directs them to “contend for the faith once for all delivered to the saints.” The faith once delivered is the apostolic proclamation of Christ crucified and risen, preserved in the canonical Scriptures and lived out in the Church across centuries. Enoch may illuminate background details of Genesis 6, and reading it can enrich one’s understanding of the biblical world. But it does not provide missing instructions that overthrow the canon, the Church, or the Gospel.
If anything is truly “forbidden” in the sense of being dangerous, it is not the content of Enoch. It is the temptation to believe that the Gospel requires supplementation by secret knowledge, alternate canons, or geopolitical revelations. The Church has fought that temptation since the days of the Gnostics.
Jude’s quotation is not a crack in the canon. It is a reminder that God has spoken in many ways, but that He has given His people a definitive, sufficient witness in Scripture, not in esoteric archives or speculative reconstructions.
Read Enoch if you wish—it is valuable as ancient Jewish literature — but do not mistake its literary power for canonical authority, or its imagery for a hidden operating system. Christ is the fullness of revelation, and the apostolic Scriptures bear witness to Him completely.
I don't know how? But somehow oddly my comment got removed? Sorry about that! And yes the book of Jude is a direct quote on quote from the Ethiopic book of Enoch yet the original scrolls of such were found amongst the dead sea scrolls too. Have you read the fragmented scrolls of the Book of Giants too Rocka?
That should have said and written within the book of Jude & here’s the passage in Jude that is said to be a quote from the book of Enoch:
Jude 14-15 It was also about these that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “See, the Lord is coming with ten thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to convict everyone of all the deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
1 Enoch 1:91 Behold, he comes with the myriads of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to destroy all the wicked, and to convict all flesh for all the wicked deeds that they have done, and the proud and hard words that wicked sinners spoke against him.
That’s pretty much spot on. There’s just no getting around it – the text is very, very similar indeed. To say that one isn’t quoting the other is a real stretch.
It’s the standard view on these verses from Jude. Here are a few well known commentaries that make the point:
The longest and only unambiguous quotation in the Epistle of Jude is not from an OT book but rather from 1 Enoch.2
Jude now confirms this final analysis of his opponents with a prophecy of inescapable judgment, the judgment which will accompany the return of Christ. He quotes 1 Enoch (i. 9) to emphasize his point.3
Scholars agree that Jude cites 1 Enoch in vv 14–15.4
So, how should we react to this?
In my experience, when a Christian with very biased conservative views of scripture first encounters the idea that Jude quotes the book of Enoch, they tend to recoil and then try to explain away the problem. Which is sad really.
The book of Enoch is included in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the vast bulk of which predate any New Testament writings. the book of Enoch predates the Epistle of Jude. It cannot be claimed that the Book of Enoch quotes the Epistle of Jude – it was written before Jude and we have a copy in the Dead Sea Scrolls to prove the point. So, yes the Bible does quote external sources authoritatively.
The wonderful thing about the the book of Enoch 1 is it highlights exalts & glorifies Jesus as the living Christ! The disciple John writes "I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written". John 21:25
Such is meant to highlight the many wonders and teachings of Jesus that were not recorded in the Gospels, while also confirming that what was written is sufficient for believers to have faith in him as the Messiah and whom He actually said whom he was!
And many other things also are which Jesus did, the which if they be written every one, I suppose that not even the world itself would contain the books written. John 21:25
Indeed many only throng around the outside pressing every which way around Him but never actually touching Jesus within, like the crowds around about Jesus and it was the woman with the issue of blood whom thrust out her hand to want to touch Jesus even if it be the fringes of His garment, & was healed of her disease.
Jesus immediately sensed he had been touched by faith by unwavering belief in who he said He is. It is only when we have a real genuine encounter with the living Jesus revealing Himself to us does He as the word made flesh truly affect us receiving the Holy Spirit opens our spirit person to fully grasp understand and comprehend the God breathed words written in the scriptures that are not just dead black ink on paper made from wood pulp from a tree that was once alive.
It is the Spirit that makes alive and animates the depths of unveiling Jesus Christ as a straight line and continuing thread woven throughout God's His-story into ours. Only when we know and experience Jesus experientially through the depths of God's love and all He did, can we even begin to have unveiled to us through Holy Spirit revelation, without it we cannot be a minister or oracle of God's word, the depths of the things of the Spirit in a profoundly transforming life changing way as our father in heaven through Jesus Christ deals with us, being willing to be disciplined chastised having a broken and contrite Spirit such truths become effectual into our daily lives and then hopefully being able to touch others spirit through such. The bible is the living word just like God created man it wasn't until God breathed into man's nostrils did he become a living soul. The outer shell is something that comes from man's memory and spoken as doctrine or teaching merely the physical part of the book. Jesus declared His words are Spirit & Life, it is God whom speaks life in man. Neither the wise or the mind understand it. It requires far more than just the eyes or the ears or brain for it's apprehension. But to serve others with the spiritual.
Using only human elements to propagate what corresponds to him alone. Such human aspects do not constitute the spiritual realm of God's kingdom. The words in the bible & the other books mentioned go beyond any language even the Hebrew Greek Aramaic etc. The question isn't have we read the bible but how have we read it? His God's voice needs to be recognised.
We do not exist on bread or food alone but from every word that proceeds forth out of God's mouth. God's words & through His spirit into our spirit are living & alive, & will never deviate from who and all that Creature God is and found in the sum of all truth in His word.
Yet Jesus is the living word the Logos made flesh and does within us too. Jesus tells us his words are spirit and are life, & it is the spirit that quickeneth.
& 5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
John 15:5-8
Today Creator God as our Heavenly father must breathe upon the written word to make it alive and be quickened in us that He speaks to us today. When the word of the bible is released as the word of God the Spirit of God must blow again to hear God speak in knowing it's life to become revelation again and reactivates imparts His life to you and me through anointing seeing what others saw yesterday as fresh manna today, so we get to meet Jesus face to face. If touching only the physical part of people upon this earthly realm & dimension becomes only useless & otherwise it remains a sealed book. The possession of the basic fundamental foundation of requirement of the revelation of the Holy Spirit is imperative otherwise it is ineffective. Is poverty of the spirit in us. Speaking from the mind the letter of the word and speaking from the Spirit are two separate realms that cannot be converged are a dichotomy are separate, & lacks the ability to enter into the Spirit. Many only hear the words of the bible but not the living alive words of God. He is not confined to only a book, or books.
The difference is when we have received God's incredible mercy & grace to us personally from Him to give us a fresh revealing by the anointing of the Holy Spirit for incredible insight, not stale stagnant worm infested yesterday or last year's manna. Bringing the words of God that proceeds forth from God's mouth alive in the principal of resurrection life light enlightenment and illumination revelation & anointing into us only then can we give the needed abundance of enabling others to hear the light life & anointing of the Holy Spirit bringing forth God's living word to release it. The prevailing impotency of the ekklesia today is that the life of God is blocked because they are primarily interested in their own thoughts, but instead we must bring forth Gods heart.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deluding youselves. James 1:22
I have one question for you: on what basis are you so confident in saying it’s not inspired? Jude quoted it, yet the Council at Rome decided it isn’t canonical. I’m asking respectfully: what’s the logical reason to dismiss Enoch as less important than the canonical books?
So many of these things came alive for me once I understood biblical cosmology. As you say it "truly is the living word". I love 1enoch, 1&2 esdras, jasher, jubilees. My small home group has gone through many deep studies on different topics spanning all the books. A few often quoted phrases among us are "God does not repeat himself without reason", and "what do we see by the weight of scripture? " which means gather everything we can find on a topic, all sides, read them all, and let the scripture interpret itself. We have things we are sure about, and we have some "table topics" meaning we do not claim to have full understanding yet. Those remain open until full understanding is revealed by the Holy ghost and confirmed by the scripture. One reminder for both of you, something you both know.
"Love one another, as I have first loved you".
As we saw yesterday, this tends to bring out a knee jerk fear reaction in some people. My best advice to them? Be a Berean. Ask questions. Compare the texts to the scripture you have in the 66 books.
Book of Jasher is referenced in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18.
Acts of Solomon is referenced in 1 Kings 11:41
Book of Samuel the Seer is referenced in 1 Chronicles 29:29
Book of Nathan the Prophet is referenced in 1 Chronicles 29:29.
There is much more. The Lord is not afraid of questions. In fact He tells us to be like children. As a child? I asked a ton of questions about everything. I still do. How else do we grow?
I'm so glad we have the Book Jude, cliff-notes to 1 Enoch!
I have appreciated reading many of what today say are extra biblical books were actually originally included in the Septuagint, and helped give a broader understanding of other scriptures within the 66 canonical books. I appreciate deeply the Ethipoc book of Enoch, 1 & 2 Esdras, book of Giants. Book of Judith.
The book of Jasher we have is highly unlikely to be the original one as mentioned in Joshua chapter 10. Yet I certainly can concur with Solomon: And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:12-14
Too many sadly go to the scriptures and not to Jesus Christ. Like he said himself, "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. I do not receive glory from people. John 5:39-41
Many only have head knowledge and may get some good idea from bible study but no true revelation from by & through the holy Spirit. People go to the bible but they very often have never sought Jesus, Jesus stated to the Pharisees scribes etc, that they searched through the scriptures that testified about HIM but refused to go to him directly, and wouldn't accept him, as they had all these preconceived ideas and their thinking and heads were stuffed full of theologians ideologies and other thousands of scrolls by their learned rabbi's and leaders of their day these fallible men's understandings that distorted polluted and corrupted the truths of God & their minds & thinking.
Carnal reasonings of the mind only lead astray.
These had a very close relationship with the scriptures but not with Almighty Creator God Himself. They actually elevated their own thinking above God and his truths. And it's not that much different today. That when Jesus came, he shook their entire paradigm of how they saw things and how they perceived the interpretations of scripture instead of the reality and their own arrogance of pride veiled and prevented their ability to be open to accept Jesus as who he said that he was and blocked their own way to the kingdom of heaven and to the life giving Spirit of God himself. But are exceptional religious people yet their hearts minds & attitudes are never renewed transformed, nor regenerated. Yet let's still be kind compassionate and forgiving to the merely religious. Let's never hold the resentful attitude of the elder brother of the prodigal son to others.
Many also idolise the bible and get puffed up with knowledge to receive praises honour and glory from others, impressing others of what they think they know. We are to always pray asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may grant us a spirit of wisdom and of revelation that gives us a deep and personal and intimate insight into the true knowledge of Him. To eat from the tree of life, not the tree of knowledge that only leads to death to the eater and death to the hearer, satan successfully sidetracked and diverted tricked & deceived Eve to the tree of knowledge, not the tree of life. We do not want to allow ourselves to be deceived by the serpent's cunning, that our minds may somehow be led astray from our sincere and pure devotion to Christ, as that is what the life of Jesus is meant to be in us, his words are spirit and of life. Man does not live on bread alone or the bible alone but from every word that proceeds forth out of God's mouth. Not that proceeds out of the bible. Matthew 4:4
Jesus said to learn from him! So let's go to him as the only way to the father & allow ourselves to be so humbled of pride as well as all self seeking removed & sit at Jesus' feet letting him to teach us as our greatest teacher, Master and Shepherd, and indeed allow the holy Spirit to guide and lead us into all truth because with Christ we can do all things, without him we can do nothing.
What a truly wonderful God& father in Heaven we serve whom is so faithful to us! The wisdom of God is nothing like the wisdom of men, human wisdom which is foolishness with God.
Jesus affirmed all of Scripture as a guide, and the apostles wrote to test everything by Scripture, that’s the anchor point. So I’m curious: how do you truly know Christ without studying Scripture?
You have misunderstood what is being said, please read it again. Of course I read scripture and the extra books too and have since a child. The point is we have to be drawn to Jesus by Heavenly father and go to Jesus have Jesus reveal himself to us personally as we see Heavenly father revealed Himself to all the faithful peoples of the past inclusive of Enoch. We have to have received being made alive in the spirit, have repented & become new creations in Christ having been crucified buried died and entered into newness of spirit of the power of the exchanged resurrection life of Jesus in to ours, and the only way we can ever understand God's words is through & via the spirit. Through our Heavenly father through our shepherd Jesus and via God's holy spirit into our spirit then our very soul our mind heart will and emotions, & whom opens the very understandings to such;
They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?” Luke 24:32
I read the scriptures and all the extra books for many many years from my childhood up, it was not until I received being reborn in and through God's holy spirit was I made alive in the spirit and met Jesus & have him reveal himself to me and give me true spiritual rebirth and anointing in the spirit did i truly begin understanding all I had read, some things were given but they were very sparse, until by God's grace did Jesus truly open all the scriptures to me. I then understood so much in a moment of all I had been reading that I didn't ever truly grasp before. I also have written about that in greater detail in a few of my articles about spiritual truth is discerned in the Spirit, & the fatal problem of the protestant way.
Are the 66 books the complete canon?
Again, you are misunderstanding, I have known the truths of Genesis 6 in combination with the Ethiopic book of Encoh since a child. But until I received holy spirit rebirth was when the truths of all Gods words and contained within scriptures truly were opened up to me.
Okay, I’m simply asking: which books are reliable, are the 66 books complete or are the other books also necessary?
The book of Noah is fascinating and helpful in understanding how Noah's descendants inhabited the whole earth and the tribes and nations that came from Shem , Ham and Japheth and their wives. The book of Gad the seer is very useful too. The testament of the patriarchs & of Levi helpful in seeing how prophetic it truly was especially concerning what they had become when Jesus arrived on the scene amongst the mess of the differing sects and denominations and especially of the Pharisees, scribes, & Saducces amongst many others. The testament of Amram & the documents of scrolls found on the Heavenly Prince of Melichizedek, The wisdom literature, The war scrolls, The ancient law of Kings etc all very interesting yet if you don't as yet know Jesus in holy intimacy this information means nothing and is valueless unless one is truly are walking according to God's holy spirit and are Christ Jesus indwelt and infilled are given illumination and enlightenment via the spirit about what it means to have been delivered from Babylon and Egypt from Pharaoh from all of satan's system and his entire kingdom of darkness. And how we are to live in loving obedience seated in heavenly places as citizens of God's heavenly kingdom whilst being citizens upon this earthly realm and dimension and how to touch no unclean thing, only then will God become a father to us and we his sons and daughters.
1. Major Enochic Works (Distinct Books)
There are at least three separate Enochic books, sometimes wrongly treated as one.
1) 1 Enoch (Ethiopic Enoch)
The largest and most complex collection.
Itself composed of multiple originally independent works:
• Book of the Watchers (chs. 1–36)
• Book of Parables / Similitudes (37–71)
• Astronomical Book (72–82)
• Dream Visions (83–90)
• Epistle of Enoch (91–108)
These sections originated at different times, likely between the 3rd century BCE and 1st century CE.
2) 2 Enoch (Slavonic Enoch)
• Preserved primarily in Old Church Slavonic
• No overlap with most of 1 Enoch’s content
• Different cosmology, chronology, and theology
• Likely composed later (1st century CE or later)
3) 3 Enoch (Hebrew Enoch)
• Rabbinic-era mystical text
• Focuses on Metatron
• Completely different genre and worldview
• Not part of Second Temple Enochic tradition
These are three different books, not three “editions” of the same work.
2. Versions of 1 Enoch (Where the Real Problem Is)
Within 1 Enoch itself, there are multiple textual traditions, none of which are identical.
A) Ethiopic (Geʿez) Version
• The only complete version
• Preserved by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church
• Based on earlier Greek and Aramaic sources
• Contains expansions and harmonizations
B) Aramaic Manuscripts (Dead Sea Scrolls)
• Found at Qumran (e.g., 4Q201–4Q212)
• Older than the Ethiopic
• Fragmentary
• Often shorter and less developed
• Sometimes lack material found in Ethiopic
C) Greek Fragments
• Partial quotations and manuscripts
• Sometimes agree with Aramaic against Ethiopic
• Sometimes diverge from both
D) Latin Fragments
• Very small and indirect
• Mostly dependent on Greek
3. Do These Versions Contain Contrasting Verses?
Yes frequently. The differences fall into several categories:
1) Additions and Omissions
• Ethiopic often includes material not found in Aramaic
• Some chapters in Ethiopic have no Qumran witness
• The Book of Parables (37–71) is entirely absent at Qumran
2) Rewording and Expansion
• Ethiopic sometimes expands angelic speeches, judgments, or cosmology
• Aramaic versions are often more restrained
3) Chronological and Numerical Differences
• Calendrical systems vary
• Astronomical calculations differ
• Time spans and sequences sometimes conflict
4) Theological Development
• Later texts show more developed angelology
• Messianic imagery is not consistent across versions
• Some ideas appear later than others, not earlier
4. How Many “Versions” Are We Really Talking About?
Depending on how strictly one defines “version”:
• 3 distinct Enochic books (1, 2, 3 Enoch)
• At least 4 textual traditions of 1 Enoch (Aramaic, Greek, Ethiopic, Latin)
• Multiple manuscript families within Ethiopic itself
• Dozens of fragmentary witnesses with variant readings
A conservative scholarly count would say:
• 10–20 materially different textual witnesses
• Hundreds of verse-level variants
• No single recoverable “original Book of Enoch”
5. Why This Matters (Text-Critical Reality)
From a Second Temple textual standpoint:
• “Enoch” functioned as a living literary tradition, not a fixed book
• Scribes expanded, edited, and rearranged material
• Authority (where granted) was attached to ideas and figures, not stable wording
• The Ethiopic version represents preservation, not proof of originality
This is why modern claims that “Jude quotes the Book of Enoch” oversimplify the data. Jude reflects Enochic tradition, not a universally fixed text.
This issue with this claim is that Jude did not quote 1Enoch because the book was not even put together yet.
1 Enoch existed in fragments before Jude wrote (Dead Sea Scrolls prove this, 11 copies found, dated 200-100 BC) Jude quotes Enoch 1:9 verbatim in Jude 14-15. Whether he quoted the "compiled book" or earlier Enochic tradition doesn't change the fact, he cited Enoch as authoritative prophecy.
Western Christianity deleted what Jude quoted.
There is no evidence that a fully canonized, unified “Book of Enoch” existed at Qumran. What the Dead Sea Scrolls preserve are multiple Enochic fragments, spread across different compositions and forms, reflecting a living Enochic tradition, not a finalized biblical book with fixed boundaries.
That distinction matters.
Jude does not say, “as it is written in the Book of Enoch.” He says, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…”, appealing to a named ancestral figure and prophetic tradition, not citing a canonical book. This aligns with Second Temple Jewish practice, where authoritative traditions circulated orally and textually without being Scripture.
Crucially, the language Jude uses was not exclusive to Enochic texts at all. The same judgment imagery, God coming with myriads of holy ones to execute judgment, appears in multiple non-Enochic texts preserved at Qumran and in the Hebrew Scriptures themselves (e.g., Deuteronomy 33:2, Psalm 68:17, Zechariah 14:5, Daniel 7, and sectarian Dead Sea Scroll texts). This means Jude could have been drawing from a broader Second Temple apocalyptic tradition, not from a specific book, whether “compiled” or not.
Yes, Jude’s wording aligns closely with language later preserved in 1 Enoch 1:9, but that wording belongs to a shared tradition, not to a documented, closed “Book of Enoch” canon. Jude’s appeal is to Enoch the figure, not to Enoch the book.
For this reason, the claim that “Western Christianity deleted what Jude quoted” fails at its foundation. You cannot delete a book that was never universally received as a book. What existed was a respected prophetic stream, valued by some communities, preserved by Ethiopia, and never canonized across Judaism or the early Jesus movement.
Preservation is not proof of original canonical status. And tradition is not the same thing as a closed canon.
Pre-Constantine: Church Fathers widely cited Enoch as Scripture (Jude, Barnabas, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria)
Post-Constantine: Rome systematically excluded it (397 AD, Council of Carthage)
Ethiopian Christianity: Preserved it for 2,000 years in their 81-book canon.
Dead Sea Scrolls: Prove Enochic material existed in writing before Jude (11 manuscripts, 200-100 BC)
Jude 14-15: Quotes it verbatim, attributing it to "Enoch, the seventh from Adam"
The question isn't "was 1 Enoch fully compiled when Jude wrote"
The question is who made the right canonical decision Rome in 397 AD, or Ethiopia for 2,000 years?
Your objection assumes Rome was right.
I'm asking: on what basis?
Enochic material existed before Jude. Yes, some early writers valued it. None of that establishes a universally recognized, canonical “Book of Enoch.” What we see instead, both in Judaism and early Jesus-movement communities, is disagreement from the start, not later deletion.
Jude cites Enoch the ancestral figure, "Not a Book", and he does not use a scriptural citation formula. His language reflects a shared Second Temple judgment tradition also found in Deuteronomy 33, Psalms, Zechariah, Daniel, and non-Enochic Dead Sea Scroll texts. Quotation does not equal canonization.
Carthage did not remove Enoch from a universal Bible. It affirmed a regional list already in use. Non-reception is not suppression. Ethiopia later preserved and elevated Enoch within its own tradition, which deserves respect, but regional preservation does not retroactively establish original universal authority.
And this is the largest unresolved problem. There is no stable text of “the Book of Enoch.” The Dead Sea Scrolls preserve fragmented and diverse Enochic compositions, not a single book. "The Ethiopic version reflects later compilation, expansion, and redaction. Between Qumran and Ethiopia there are additions, omissions, and changes, which is the opposite of what we would expect for a canonized Scripture".
"You cannot claim" something was deleted from the canon when it was never universally canonized and when "there is no fixed text" to delete in the first place.
Preservation shows influence. Variation shows tradition. Canon requires stability and consensus, and that is precisely what the Enochic material does not have.
You really can’t answer this without circular reasoning. So let’s make this clear and draw the line.
You trust Western consensus and claim Ethiopia added to the Word, hiding behind academic word salad.
I’m saying Ethiopia has the true canon, and I don’t trust Rome’s decisions.
You’ve chosen your side. I’ve chosen mine. This is where the conversation ends.
You haven’t shown circular reasoning, you’ve asserted it.
Circular reasoning would require me to say “the Western canon is correct because it’s the Western canon.” I never did that.
My argument does not appeal to Rome at all. It appeals to independent evidence: textual instability, lack of a fixed Enoch text, fragmented Dead Sea Scroll witnesses, and absence of universal reception.
Disagreeing with your conclusion is not the same as demonstrating circular reasoning.
This isn’t about choosing Rome or Ethiopia. It’s about method.
I’m not appealing to Western consensus. I’m appealing to evidence that exists independently of Rome or Ethiopia, namely textual stability, manuscript history, and cross-community reception.
The central issue has never been "preservation versus suppression". It is that the Enochic material "shows significant variation from Qumran to later Ethiopic forms, with additions, omissions, and redactions". "That alone disqualifies" it from functioning as a universally canonized Scripture in the period you’re claiming.
When disagreement is reframed as corruption and evidence is reframed as “choosing sides,” the conversation stops being historical. At that point it becomes confessional allegiance, not analysis.
St Jude, "brother" of Jesus, patron siant of lost causes? funny they made him the saint of lost causes, was enochian theology a lost cause?
editing Bible is not gonna hurt those who worship Jesus in Spirit and in Truth our reason for exsisting… I have Holy Spirit Fire I lack nothing. I only just heard about this topic; made me more in Awe of My Creator Made me want to worship Jesus More every moment
Rocka, you are raising a real and worthwhile question about Jude’s citation of Enoch. Any serious reader of Scripture should pause at Jude 1:14–15 and ask how the apostles understood the Enochic tradition. But the conclusion you draw from this single quotation — that the Church engaged in a deliberate suppression of “forbidden intelligence,” that the canon was intentionally “edited” to neutralize spiritual warfare, and that Ethiopia alone guarded the “complete Covenant Archive” — rests on claims that the data simply cannot sustain.
The heart of the issue is this: quoting a text does not canonize the text. The New Testament itself demonstrates this repeatedly. Paul quotes Aratus and Epimenides. Luke draws from Greco-Roman historiographical conventions. The author of Hebrews engages Second Temple interpretive traditions far beyond the Old Testament text. The Gospels preserve sayings and prophecies of people who never wrote inspired books. Jude can affirm the truth of a statement attributed to Enoch without declaring the entire composite work known as 1 Enoch to be inspired Scripture. This is not a dodge; it is how prophecy and canon actually function.
In Scripture, prophecy is broader than Scripture. Many prophets never wrote canonical books. Elijah, Elisha, Gad, Nathan, Micaiah, and the daughters who prophesied in Acts all delivered true revelation, yet we possess no “Book of Elijah” or “Book of Nathan” in the canon. Jude’s use of an Enochic saying places Enoch in that category: a patriarch who truly prophesied, whose prophetic memory was partially preserved in later literature, and whose words Jude — under the Spirit’s inspiration — could affirm. But inspiration of one preserved statement does not extend retroactively to every later composition bearing his name. The Book of Enoch was not written by the historical Enoch but is a collection of texts produced across centuries. The apostles knew this. The early Church knew this. That is why its status remained contested.
The claim that Western Christianity “censored” Enoch misunderstands the actual historical record. 1 Enoch was widely read in the early Church. Fathers such as Tertullian valued it highly; others were more cautious. But the decisive criterion for canon was not whether a text was ancient, interesting, or influential — it was whether the apostolic churches, across diverse regions, read it in the liturgy as the inspired word of God. Enoch never achieved that universal reception. Ethiopia retained it; most other apostolic churches did not. That divergence does not prove corruption. It proves that different local traditions existed and that the universal Church, guided by worship and apostolic teaching, did not recognize the text as normative for all believers.
Your narrative assumes what it must prove: that the councils “removed” something formerly included. But no ecumenical council ever struck Enoch from a canon, because Enoch was never part of the authoritative canon used in Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, or Constantinople. Its presence in Ethiopia is an important witness to diversity in early Christian practice, but it is not evidence that Rome “edited” a previously universal archive.
Your explanation for this alleged suppression — that Enoch reveals dangerous secrets about technology, spiritual rebellion, and the foundations of modern society — relies on reading the text through a contemporary lens. Enoch’s discussions of heavenly beings, forbidden knowledge, and the corruption of humanity belong to the apocalyptic imagination of Second Temple Judaism. Those themes are real and important, but they do not contain a hidden blueprint for geopolitics, finance, or media. They provide moral and theological commentary on human wickedness, angelic rebellion, and the need for divine judgment. To convert these symbolic visions into a literal playbook for the modern world collapses genre, exaggerates historical influence, and obscures the spiritual truths the text actually conveys.
Your appeal to the Ethiopian Church deserves respect but also clarity. Ethiopia preserved several texts that the rest of the Church did not canonize. That is part of the richness of Christian tradition. But canon is not determined by isolation; it is determined by continuity with the apostolic churches as a whole. Ethiopia’s canon represents its own historical development, not a pristine archive that Rome supposedly mutilated. And Ethiopia itself has never claimed that its canon invalidates all others, or that the rest of Christianity is “Babylonian.” That rhetoric is yours, not theirs.
The larger pattern in your argument remains consistent across your writings: you frame the Church’s historical discernment as a covert intelligence operation designed to hide the truth. But the evidence points in a different direction. The canon emerged from prayer, worship, martyrdom, and theological debate. The Church rejected texts not because they exposed “operational tactics” of fallen angels but because they lacked apostolic authorship, universal reception, and doctrinal coherence with the faith handed down. That is not suppression. It is stewardship.
If the goal is to take Jude seriously, then take him fully seriously. Jude does not direct his readers to seek hidden archives, reconstruct ancient calendars, or decode geopolitical maps. He directs them to “contend for the faith once for all delivered to the saints.” The faith once delivered is the apostolic proclamation of Christ crucified and risen, preserved in the canonical Scriptures and lived out in the Church across centuries. Enoch may illuminate background details of Genesis 6, and reading it can enrich one’s understanding of the biblical world. But it does not provide missing instructions that overthrow the canon, the Church, or the Gospel.
If anything is truly “forbidden” in the sense of being dangerous, it is not the content of Enoch. It is the temptation to believe that the Gospel requires supplementation by secret knowledge, alternate canons, or geopolitical revelations. The Church has fought that temptation since the days of the Gnostics.
Jude’s quotation is not a crack in the canon. It is a reminder that God has spoken in many ways, but that He has given His people a definitive, sufficient witness in Scripture, not in esoteric archives or speculative reconstructions.
Read Enoch if you wish—it is valuable as ancient Jewish literature — but do not mistake its literary power for canonical authority, or its imagery for a hidden operating system. Christ is the fullness of revelation, and the apostolic Scriptures bear witness to Him completely.
I don't know how? But somehow oddly my comment got removed? Sorry about that! And yes the book of Jude is a direct quote on quote from the Ethiopic book of Enoch yet the original scrolls of such were found amongst the dead sea scrolls too. Have you read the fragmented scrolls of the Book of Giants too Rocka?
That should have said and written within the book of Jude & here’s the passage in Jude that is said to be a quote from the book of Enoch:
Jude 14-15 It was also about these that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “See, the Lord is coming with ten thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to convict everyone of all the deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
1 Enoch 1:91 Behold, he comes with the myriads of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to destroy all the wicked, and to convict all flesh for all the wicked deeds that they have done, and the proud and hard words that wicked sinners spoke against him.
That’s pretty much spot on. There’s just no getting around it – the text is very, very similar indeed. To say that one isn’t quoting the other is a real stretch.
It’s the standard view on these verses from Jude. Here are a few well known commentaries that make the point:
The longest and only unambiguous quotation in the Epistle of Jude is not from an OT book but rather from 1 Enoch.2
Jude now confirms this final analysis of his opponents with a prophecy of inescapable judgment, the judgment which will accompany the return of Christ. He quotes 1 Enoch (i. 9) to emphasize his point.3
Scholars agree that Jude cites 1 Enoch in vv 14–15.4
So, how should we react to this?
In my experience, when a Christian with very biased conservative views of scripture first encounters the idea that Jude quotes the book of Enoch, they tend to recoil and then try to explain away the problem. Which is sad really.
The book of Enoch is included in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the vast bulk of which predate any New Testament writings. the book of Enoch predates the Epistle of Jude. It cannot be claimed that the Book of Enoch quotes the Epistle of Jude – it was written before Jude and we have a copy in the Dead Sea Scrolls to prove the point. So, yes the Bible does quote external sources authoritatively.
The wonderful thing about the the book of Enoch 1 is it highlights exalts & glorifies Jesus as the living Christ! The disciple John writes "I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written". John 21:25
Such is meant to highlight the many wonders and teachings of Jesus that were not recorded in the Gospels, while also confirming that what was written is sufficient for believers to have faith in him as the Messiah and whom He actually said whom he was!
And many other things also are which Jesus did, the which if they be written every one, I suppose that not even the world itself would contain the books written. John 21:25
Indeed many only throng around the outside pressing every which way around Him but never actually touching Jesus within, like the crowds around about Jesus and it was the woman with the issue of blood whom thrust out her hand to want to touch Jesus even if it be the fringes of His garment, & was healed of her disease.
Jesus immediately sensed he had been touched by faith by unwavering belief in who he said He is. It is only when we have a real genuine encounter with the living Jesus revealing Himself to us does He as the word made flesh truly affect us receiving the Holy Spirit opens our spirit person to fully grasp understand and comprehend the God breathed words written in the scriptures that are not just dead black ink on paper made from wood pulp from a tree that was once alive.
It is the Spirit that makes alive and animates the depths of unveiling Jesus Christ as a straight line and continuing thread woven throughout God's His-story into ours. Only when we know and experience Jesus experientially through the depths of God's love and all He did, can we even begin to have unveiled to us through Holy Spirit revelation, without it we cannot be a minister or oracle of God's word, the depths of the things of the Spirit in a profoundly transforming life changing way as our father in heaven through Jesus Christ deals with us, being willing to be disciplined chastised having a broken and contrite Spirit such truths become effectual into our daily lives and then hopefully being able to touch others spirit through such. The bible is the living word just like God created man it wasn't until God breathed into man's nostrils did he become a living soul. The outer shell is something that comes from man's memory and spoken as doctrine or teaching merely the physical part of the book. Jesus declared His words are Spirit & Life, it is God whom speaks life in man. Neither the wise or the mind understand it. It requires far more than just the eyes or the ears or brain for it's apprehension. But to serve others with the spiritual.
Using only human elements to propagate what corresponds to him alone. Such human aspects do not constitute the spiritual realm of God's kingdom. The words in the bible & the other books mentioned go beyond any language even the Hebrew Greek Aramaic etc. The question isn't have we read the bible but how have we read it? His God's voice needs to be recognised.
We do not exist on bread or food alone but from every word that proceeds forth out of God's mouth. God's words & through His spirit into our spirit are living & alive, & will never deviate from who and all that Creature God is and found in the sum of all truth in His word.
Yet Jesus is the living word the Logos made flesh and does within us too. Jesus tells us his words are spirit and are life, & it is the spirit that quickeneth.
& 5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
John 15:5-8
Today Creator God as our Heavenly father must breathe upon the written word to make it alive and be quickened in us that He speaks to us today. When the word of the bible is released as the word of God the Spirit of God must blow again to hear God speak in knowing it's life to become revelation again and reactivates imparts His life to you and me through anointing seeing what others saw yesterday as fresh manna today, so we get to meet Jesus face to face. If touching only the physical part of people upon this earthly realm & dimension becomes only useless & otherwise it remains a sealed book. The possession of the basic fundamental foundation of requirement of the revelation of the Holy Spirit is imperative otherwise it is ineffective. Is poverty of the spirit in us. Speaking from the mind the letter of the word and speaking from the Spirit are two separate realms that cannot be converged are a dichotomy are separate, & lacks the ability to enter into the Spirit. Many only hear the words of the bible but not the living alive words of God. He is not confined to only a book, or books.
The difference is when we have received God's incredible mercy & grace to us personally from Him to give us a fresh revealing by the anointing of the Holy Spirit for incredible insight, not stale stagnant worm infested yesterday or last year's manna. Bringing the words of God that proceeds forth from God's mouth alive in the principal of resurrection life light enlightenment and illumination revelation & anointing into us only then can we give the needed abundance of enabling others to hear the light life & anointing of the Holy Spirit bringing forth God's living word to release it. The prevailing impotency of the ekklesia today is that the life of God is blocked because they are primarily interested in their own thoughts, but instead we must bring forth Gods heart.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deluding youselves. James 1:22
I have one question for you: on what basis are you so confident in saying it’s not inspired? Jude quoted it, yet the Council at Rome decided it isn’t canonical. I’m asking respectfully: what’s the logical reason to dismiss Enoch as less important than the canonical books?