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Questions From The Investigation

The most common questions from readers after this piece dropped.

How did the Nephilim bloodline survive the Flood if it wiped everything out?

Genesis 6:4 telegraphs it directly. “And also afterward.” The text tells you upfront the giants return post-Flood. Noah was perfect in his generations. His daughters-in-law carried no such designation. The most textually grounded answer is that Watcher genetics survived in latent form through the women on the ark and concentrated again in Canaan through continued Watcher activity post-Flood. The Flood eliminated the first generation. It didn’t eliminate the capacity for recurrence.

If God knew the bloodline would survive why flood at all?

Because the first generation was irreversible. All flesh was corrupted beyond recovery. The Flood was a hard reset to preserve one clean line and buy four thousand years. The Conquest is round two of the same operation.

Doesn’t this make God look like he failed?

The text anticipated the recurrence. God didn’t. The operation ran across multiple phases by design. Noah. Abraham. The Conquest. David killing Goliath. Each engagement is the same mission at a different stage.

What about Rahab and Ruth? They were Canaanite and Moabite.

That’s the proof the framework isn’t ethnic cleansing. Both grafted in. Both ancestors of Christ. The issue was never ethnicity. It was the specific Nephilim bloodlines. Rahab and Ruth didn’t carry them. The text already knew the difference.

Where can I read more about the Nephilim post-Flood?

Start with 1 Enoch 6-16 for the Watcher account. Numbers 13:33 for the Canaan sighting. Joshua 11:21-22 for the systematic clearing. 2 Samuel 21:15-22 for the residual cleanup under David. That’s one continuous operation across five books.

Jamie Dale-Jensen's avatar

Very good.

I do find it interesting about how the Jewish midrash/tradition talks about how Goliath may have descended from Orpah and Scripture talks about how she returned to her gods rather than going with Ruth and Naomi. Although the validity of that is up for debate.

The only thing I would add is that God did anticipate the recurrence but also knows exactly how it will resolve in the last chapter. Which we see unfolding.

JeMarcus Forealeus's avatar

From midrashic literature, it appears on giant named Og (later killed by Moses in the Book of Numbers) was from the “remnant of giants before the flood”. He was saved due to a specific merit and had vowed to become a slave to Noah. I can try to find the source for you.

MCav's avatar

That's interesting. What is the source?

JeMarcus Forealeus's avatar

But it seems the main sources are Pirkei de-Rabbi Eliezer (Chapter 23) and in the Talmud Zevachim 113b.

JoJo's avatar

Also Rob Skiba wrote the Babylon Rising series which spells this out beautifully. Reading the Old Testament now makes so much more sense!

Deacon Brad's avatar

Your response reeks of the petitio principii fallacy. You need to address the conflict between the sole surviving line of Noah due to his perfect genetics and the reappearance of Nephilim in Canaan many centuries later. Any clever guy can hopscotch his way through Scripture and construct a faulty argument. I'm fairly confident the Old Testament is not about genetics but about sin and redemption and our human inability to effect our own redemption. A good acronym for solid Bible study is KISS.

Rocka's avatar

How do you explain Deuteronomy 20:16?

MCav's avatar

The answer is given by God in Deuteronomy 20:18. And it came to pass that the hebrews began worshipping Baals because they intermarried with the inhabitants of that land.

Rocka's avatar

Why did God order the massacre of those specific clans, and why does everyone I ask about this avoid answering it and instead dodge the question?

MCav's avatar
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I just answered your question with scripture. It was due to the sin of idolatry (among other sins). God did not want Moses people to intermarry with them because of their culture, not their DNA. You are missing the covenant relationship God had with Moses people. You need to understand what that covenant meant and how it relays to the history of salvation through Jesus Christ. It's a familial relationship, not a genetic one. And I'm not arguing that there weren't Nephilim around or that the Nephilim weren't the offspring of fallen angels, that were giants. I think that is all likely true.

Rocka's avatar

You said the Nephilim and fallen angels are likely true. If that’s true the corruption is biological, you can’t have angel-human hybrids and argue God’s only concern was their culture. That’s why the genealogies exist. Matthew doesn’t open with 42 generations to track a familial relationship. It’s a bloodline integrity report. And none of that is explained anywhere in the Western canon without Enoch filling in what Genesis 6 leaves out.

Rocka's avatar

This makes no sense. Why do you think genealogies matter so much then? How does your reading explain the Nephilim at all without referencing Enoch?

Deacon Brad's avatar

I'm Catholic, so no verse has to stand entirely by itself. I read it as the Church reads it. If the Church hasn't declared on that verse, I can speculate just like you. I haven't found that sort of scripture study to be fruitful myself.

Rocka's avatar

It doesn't stand by itself, im asking you how do you explain the verse in context. I gave my reading in the piece you are commenting on.

Mary McConnell's avatar

It’s genetics. And there was no blood of giants in Jesus Christ. It would have disqualified Him which was sstans plan

MCav's avatar

By that logic Jesus only came to save those of pure bloodlines, not all of us. This was thoroughly debated in the New Testament because the Jews thought that the Messiah was coming only for them. The Apostles and St. Paul made it clear that was not what Jesus said. After the resurrection, He sent the Apostles first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles.

Mary McConnell's avatar

Even today people are born with six fingers and six toes and they are among us

MCav's avatar

So what do you think that proves? This is a common limb condition (Polydactyly) that happens during fetal development. Sometimes a finger splits into two resulting in an extra digit. Although it can run in families it isn't always hereditary. It can happen spontaneously without a genetic cause. Sometimes it is a sign of an underlying medical condition. Gigantism in children before puberty is a condition caused be excessive growth hormones often due to a benign tumor on the pituitary gland.

Mary McConnell's avatar

Think whatever you want to think. It’s called free will

Mary McConnell's avatar

That’s not what i said. Jesus had to be fully human or He wouldn’t have qualified as the perfect lamb the lamb without a spot. The Nephilim lived on after the flood because some of the people on the ark had recessive Nephilim genes. Obviously. I forgot whether they had to be male or female. But it was probably the females some of them who carried the recessive gene.

MCav's avatar
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Incorrect assumption. The Nephilim persisted because the unions between fallen angels and human women happened again afterwards. This is because the ancient scriptural scholars would have been aware that the Nephilim were encountered later (Num 13:33). So the author of the written account of Genesis included the remark that they were around afterwards. Because this mating happened after the flood. This was also the accepted view of ancient people.

Mary McConnell's avatar

This may or may not be true. Give me scriptures saying that. Besides I have it from a man of God who has been to heaven and spoken with Jesus in person that what i am saying is true

Kiss's avatar

What stopped the rebellious angels from doing the same nefarious activities?

MCav's avatar

It's all pretty nefarious. They were trying to be God because they came down to earth to be worshipped. Then they decided that the human women were "hot"!

MCav's avatar
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I couldn't disagree more about the reason for genealogies in scripture. Your exegesis is missing a fundamental understanding about the nature of the ancient world. You are looking at it as a modern person does. Genealogies in the Bible were used to link a person (or a tribe) with an important ancestor that gave a person their place in their community. It was a way of showing who you were in the world, part of a person's identity and status. And these records were necessary for maintaining tribal identities, land inheritance, marriages, and for establishing kingships or succession of rulers.

It wasn't about eugenics, it was about our human history and our relationship to God. This is a false gospel you are preaching.

Geneologies also served an historical function; it develops the foundation of humanity, affirms the historical reality of biblical events and people through which God would enact His covenant promises. It illustrates the continuity of life and the unfolding of God's plan through successive generations. And by marking the passage of generations, it marked time in the history of the human race. That is how the ancient world viewed their history (which was oral in early human civilization).

The most important reason for recording genealogies was theological; to show Jews that Jesus was descended from King David and Abraham, fulfilling the OT prophecies that he was the Messiah. But to the Greeks and other non-Jews it showed that Jesus traced his ancestry all the way back to Adam. And emphasizes Jesus' universal significance as the Savior of all humanity, connecting Him to the entire human race. The genealogies demonstrate God's sovereignty in orchestrating history to fulfill His promises, culminating in the birth of Jesus Christ, the Savior for all of humanity, not just select, pure bloodlines.

Mary McConnell's avatar

Only humans can inherit salvation

MCav's avatar
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So who do you think isn't human? Because the offspring of the fallen angels and human women were human. Since fallen angels are spiritual beings, they had no DNA to contribute to the conception of a child.

Likewise, many humans have Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA. Both Neanderthal & Denisovan genetic material was inherited from an extinct species ( Genus Homo) closely related to modern humans. Genetic studies show that most people of non-African descent carry about 1% to 4% Neanderthal DNA, a result of interbreeding that occurred when modern humans migrated out of Africa. Recent studies suggest that interbreeding was more common between female Homo sapiens and male Neanderthals than the reverse. Remnants of Neanderthal & Denisovan's genomes survive in every modern human population studied to date. So according to your theory, anyone with any remnant of this other DNA cannot enter heaven. That's most of mankind!! I have news for you - anyone with a soul has the chance to enter heaven.

Mary McConnell's avatar

There’s no such thing as evolution. Eons ago they were very advanced in science. The so called neanderthal man was a hybrid. They were messing around with genes then too. Theres no missing link. The strange creatures in Greek and Roman literature existed. Hybrids. The flood destroyed them. These are like the days of Noah again

Mary McConnell's avatar

Fallen angels had no genitalia and couldn’t reproduce. You err. You are misinterpreting scripture. There are varying degrees of DNA damage. The shots do a lot of this today and will do more in the future. It’s what the so called authorities are driving at. At what point Is a person not human? I don’t know. I am not God. But only humans can inherit salvation. Jesus died for the human race. I realize many have some Nephilim genes. They may not have enough of them to be disqualified. I am not God and I don’t want to be.

MCav's avatar

Now you are getting closer! Either the Nephilim were the offspring of the "sons of man" (always a reference to angels elsewhere in Hebrew Scripture) and women as described in Genesis 6, or they were not. So which is it? DNA damage (of which Down's syndrome would be an example) doesn't make someone inhuman. And ever since the fall of Adam, corruption and atrophy began in the world. All the systems in our material world are in a constant state of deterioration and atrophy. It affects us all, even animals and plants and the universe itself. It is a result of the fallen world. Disease can alter our DNA, but that doesn't make us less human. There is another theological theory that the "sons of God" were the righteous line descended from Adam and Eve’s son Seth, whereas the daughters of men were the wicked line descended from Cain. But the line of Cain did not survive the Flood, so that interpretation couldn't be correct. However, there is disagreement about this.

As for how angels were able to reproduce, demons (fallen angels) can manipulate and affect the material world. They can assume bodies in a physical form (stories of angels appearing in physical form abound in the OT). They can use psychokinesis to manipulate physical matter at the molecular level, an angel can manipulate microorganisms such as when God sends down a plague in 2 Sam. 24:15-17. And as Thomas Aquinas theorized, “If some are occasionally begotten from demons, it is not from the seed of such demons, nor from their assumed bodies, but from the seed of men taken for the purpose; so that the person born is not the child of a demon, but of a man.” However, it is easy to see that such activity could result in a distortion of the resulting offspring. Satan always distorts God's gifts and God's will.

Mary McConnell's avatar

Well you are not my authority and you are not my minister and you err. I have my information from my minister who has been to heaven and has the answers to all the questions you asked. Or rather you didn’t ask. You think you know everything but you don’t. The Bible is mistranslated in some places and very misunderstood. The hybrid so called humans were destroyed in the flood. They are the earthbound demons. There are principalities and other demonic beings that are in the heavens above us and war with holy angels constantly. The hybrids were not human and are not the offspring of angels. Angels don’t have sexual parts. None of them. The mighty men of old were hybrids Nephilim and the legends of Greece and Rome are all about them. They really existed. They died in the flood and they were not human. I am not going to continue arguing with you because you are close minded. You think you know and you don’t. The man who has been to heaven taught me these things. I believe him. He speaks for Jesus and testifies of Jesus in a way that i know he’s the real deal. He is the first minister i have known since Kenneth Hagin and his son who preach the truth about God and Jesus. I was drawn to his ministry for that reason. I know truth when i hear it. And the truth has set me free. I have Jesus.

The demons are dead hybrids. They were not human. They were destroyed in the flood. Noah and his family were perfect in their generation. Not sinless but fully human beings and the genetics of other beings were a mess. I said nothing about downs syndrome people that was bad. You really seized on that. I am not God. I don’t claim to be and I don’t want His job. These days are like the days of Noah. Genetic testing and engineering is happening again. It’s evil. The second coming is close. They keep trying to mess with our DNA. That’s what the shots are all about. I don’t want any shots. Even our food is poisoned. I try to be careful what i eat. I noticed hamburger meat was different. It was yucky. It had pink slime on it. I threw it out. I refuse to eat it. I am done with this conversation because you are not listening. You think you know it all. The Pharisees thought the same thing. Yes angels can appear in physical form. But they cannot generate sexual parts. Sorry but you are wrong. The angels who warred against God are chained under Rome waiting to be judged.

Mary McConnell's avatar

The offspring you refer to were the Nephilim and they were not human and could not be saved. They were the giant races the mighty men of old. Greek mythology refers to them as Gods and Roman mythology had Gods too but they were Nephilim and false and could never go to heaven. You greatly err.

MCav's avatar

The Nephilim were not the gods of Greek mythology, or of Scripture (gods with a small "g"). The gods of pagan mythology were demons and as we know from scripture, they were the fallen angels. More specifically these were rebellious angels that were of the class of angels that governed cities and large communities and were responsible to oversee the affairs of human (aka Principalities). But then decided to leave their place of responsibility and come down to earth to be worshipped. Deuteronomy 32:8 says that when God “divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God,” which refers the Israelite belief that God had assigned the nations to different angelic beings but kept Israel for himself (v. 9). This is a long kept understanding from ancient Jewish tradition.

The mighty men of old were called "titans" in Greek mythology and they were the offspring of gods. So they would be closer to what scripture calls the Nephilim. As for the Nephilim not being human, what do you get when you interbreed a human (homo sapiens) with a different species? One that could then actually reproduce a new generation of offspring? You don't have be a geneticist to know the person was a human hybrid with human DNA. Therefore human. And the next generation produced would have been even more human. That is the reason I cited the case of Neanderthals. Two distinct species (like a dog and a human, cannot reproduce). However, demons having power over material matter have some methods of reproducing with humans. That's the reason they only mated with women. How do you think they impregnated the women without a reproductive system? Where do you think they got the sperm? You know that God invented science, right? But the resulting offspring would have definitely been human, albeit a somewhat distorted one.

You should try your read more about the interpretation of Scripture from theologians, both ancient and modern, both Jewish and Christian. Reading and interpreting the Bible all on your own is a fool's errand. The body of knowledge it takes is a lifetime's study. I am not offering my own opinion on these things. I research the different interpretations of modern scholar and I read the early fathers of the church who were either disciples of the Apostles themselves or studied under the disciples of the Apostles. Early exegesis of Jewish scholars provides insight into what Scripture meant. We are too far removed from the ancient world to understand what is written with just a cursory reading. A good commentary written on the Bible is very helpful as well.

Mary McConnell's avatar

The offspring of a human mother and one of these sons of god produced a hybrid which was not human. There were many scientists in those ancient days doing experiments and research like they are today with genetics. They were producing very strange creatures and some of these are supposed to be our human ancestors that we have dug up and some have said oh we evolved from them. But that’s not the case

Mary McConnell's avatar

Scripture doesn’t say they were angels it says they were sons of god. They were not the fallen angels. The fallen angels tempted the humans to sin and are chained under Rome awaiting judgment. The gods of pagan mythology were indeed the mighty men of old who had what appeared to be supernatural or superhuman strength. They were not demons but they served Satan . Its a complicated subject that I struggle to explain but angels don’t have sex parts and can’t reproduce. When we go to heaven according to Jesus we will be like the angels and we will not marry or be given in marriage.

SherS's avatar

Interesting.

I don’t see why both ideas can’t sit in the same conversation.

Genealogy is merely a modern way of determining your ancestral heritage, but your actual historical lineage as well.

Genocide is not a new idea. AND Nephalim weren’t just about seeing the pretty girls for a good time. They were purposefully trying to corrupt the genetic profiles. It was likely that specific women were targeted for the purpose of throwing a wrench in the prophecy.

To see it only as genetic warfare or only about tribal identity and theology are both a trap. The prophecy was fulfilled despite to genetic warfare.

MCav's avatar
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Because the scriptures are divinely inspired by a God who reveals to us who he is and what our relationship is to him. The theology is not about genetics or having a pure bloodline, that is just plain wrong. The OT and the NT taken together tell the history of our salvation from the fall of Adam to Jesus. Jesus died for all of us, not just those in the line of Abraham or that had pure bloodlines. If you don't understand that, you are following a false gospel because Jesus came for the salvation of all Nations, not just the tribes of Israel. And believe me the Jews who followed Jesus (in his time) had a big problem with that idea. So it was debated by his followers and the Apostles and St. Paul made it clear that salvation was for all. For modern mankind, genealogical records are a reminder of God's faithfulness to us and the everlasting nature of his promises. We are creatures who exist and are constrained in time, until we enter into eternal life. We are part of a much larger narrative connecting the faithful who existed before us and all those who will come after.

Now for directive to kill the Canaanites (or those in Sodom & Gomorrah, or Jericho) was demonstrating God's divine justice against people who were wholly wicked and in opposition to God who is all good. God repeatedly shows forbearance and is patient, giving people the opportunity to repent and turn back to him. But divine justice must be done when their obstinacy cannot be undone. Archaeological findings in regions associated with the ancient Canaanites have unearthed evidence of child sacrifice, cultic prostitution, and other practices deeply abhorrent to Israel’s covenant with God. Idolatry, practicing dark arts, abhorrent sexual practices, and building weapons of destruction. And cooperating with the evil of the fallen angels ("sons of God" aka demons), reproducing and giving birth to an abomination in the sight of God. In doing this they transgressed the order of creation which was put in place by God and is his domain. But God still showed mercy on the inhabitants and tried to save them by sending the Archangel Michael to battle the fallen angels, chaining them in a place of complete darkness until the final judgement where they will be cast into a lake of fire (Revelations). David eventually killed all the remaining Nephilim. By the way, in the OT, the description of the height of the Nephilim (an Aramaic word for giant) is given as four cubits and a span, which corresponds roughly to 6 feet 6 inches. They were very powerful and violent. They were not literally monsters. This is a story about spiritual warfare with God and the fallen angels who were using humans as pawns, exploiting their weakness and sinful natures. And it's about Gods divine judgement when people turn away from God intractably.

Charlene Neal's avatar

The Israelites knew that the spirits of the dead Nephilim became demons. That could also account for why they existed after the Flood. And we know demons can take on different forms, which could explain why there are the different "aliens"--the greys, reptilians, etc. I believe part of the Great Deception will be the Church believing in "aliens", rather than recognizing them as demonic.

MCav's avatar

Another lie by Satan to mislead people.

dominusvobiscum's avatar

Very interesting! I wonder what God thinks of the new transhumanist push by the global elites and the mRNA technology that has been shown to modify the human genome. Perhaps preserving human genetics is no longer needed since Christ already entered the world. Also interesting is this sentence: “Second Samuel 21 lists four Philistine giants, all killed by David’s warriors in later battles. One of them had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot.” Struck me funny as AI is known to prefer 6 fingered renderings of humans.

DefCon-Dan's avatar

It still looks to me that the 'watchers' are the same as the 'anunaki', who were extraterrestrials, who were conducting many genetic experiments here?

Such as the chimeras, that may not have been myth, and actually existed?

The giant skeletons that were found around the world had 6 fingers and toes too.

Rocka's avatar

Yep, all those past "gods" from Greek mythology as well. I'm working on that piece.

DefCon-Dan's avatar

There are accounts of the destruction of Sodom and the other 3 cities that sound almost exactly like a nuclear bomb was dropped on them.

Especially how that land was poisoned, and the salt transformation.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/esp_sumer_annunaki72.htm

DefCon-Dan's avatar

And double rows of teeth!

ILoveLiberty's avatar

They were found all over America. Skeletons. Documented. Shipped to the Smithsonian. Disappeared. Navajo. Saved us during WW2. Their language could not be decoded. Even by other tribes. Largest Serpent Mound, Miamisburg, OH, near me, visible from space. Sacrificial tables carved out of boulders with blood drainage. Documented by L.A. Marzulli. All are signs the Nephalim we're right here.

Charlene Neal's avatar

I believe the DNA manipulation going on in the world today is Satan's attempt to pollute humans, just like he did in Noah's day. Chuck Missler, Bible teacher extraordinaire, taught that Satan's aim is to so change the DNA of humans that they become no longer redeemable...and thus cannot enter Heaven. Given his MO is to "steal, kill, and destroy", what is happening now with mRNA, etc. is right up that line, as is its being forced on humans.

dominusvobiscum's avatar

Now that’s interesting. I had not heard that angle. I did hear that BIG CORP wants to create GMO humans where they can patent their DNA and then “own” them so they can buy and sell these people since they are no longer “humans” deserving of basic rights but company property. As crazy as it sounds, I can see it happening.

ILoveLiberty's avatar

AND that also means, Hebrew tribes were/are here. Our soil. Not so much an invented boundary with who knows what bloodlines, ....oops..

ILoveLiberty's avatar

Don't forget the snake venom in the jxxine.

IsabellePomerania's avatar

Genetic manipulation, like the CRISPR technology, is prophesied in Enoch chapters 80 & 81. It's all prophesy rolling out in real time.

IsabellePomerania's avatar

Genetic manipulation, like the CRISPR technology, is prophesied in Enoch in chapters 80 & 81. It is ALL prophesy rolling out in real time.

Margaret's avatar

mRNA can't rewrite the human genome. The "m" stands for messenger you would need tRNA to rewrite the human genome. "t" standing for transcript. You are perpetuating a lie and misinformation. Get educated.

Jen's avatar

I’ve just started reading Deuteronomy as part of my annual bible reading plan. I was really shocked reading about God’s message to Joshua to wipe out the Canaanites. Your article has given me greater context and understanding- beyond even the message bible. Thank you. 🙏🏼

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

It's the same reason Sodom was wiped out... Canaanites are vampires. The infection is spread via sodomy.

Now with the modern 'it's cool to be gay!' conspiracy in full-effect worldwide - take a guess how many are infected with the 'Mark' of the Beast? It's vampirism. They're freaking vampires.

Vampires and witches are the same damn thing.

It's the same RNA-virus that the fallen have been spreading for thousands of years to mankind.

They never vanished. When God confounded the languages, the Babylonian tribes vanished. THOSE are the 'real' Lost Tribes.

As in they LOST THEIR SOULS. They chose Satan over God.

The Synagogue of Satan.

Jonathan E Thomas's avatar

This is the crucial ingredient, I don’t think people know how evil Canaan was

ILoveLiberty's avatar

I'm not sure about that. I think at least some are right here in America. Look up Machir, Ha Machir, or Machiri, as America. Our whole founding and discovery was trans/ invention. Two Hebrew Scholars say America is the 1st-born Grandson of Joseph, 'Machir,' who saved the nations, wore a coat of many colors, and governed righteously in a foreign land. Machir means Responsible representation (what we are supposed to have) and Known to God. The ancient Midrash states is "1st to be reunited with ancient Israel." Ephraim's and Manasseh's descendants. Skeletons and skulls taken to the Smithsonian. Disappeared. Adults and children's. Eye orbits of child around 8in. In height.

Look up L.A. Marzuli. 10 vids. Documented.

Look at the map. Obvious connection from Alaska to Russia through Bering Strait and ironically, there have been current discussions to build a bridge from here to Russia. Only 60 something miles. It can be done.

Old Coyote's avatar

Fascinating analysis as usual. The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair and took them as wives (Genesis 6:2), and Noah was one of these "sons of God" (This phrase has also been associated with the righteous descendants of Seth and reflects various interpretations in religious texts.)and the "daughter of man" that Noah took for a wife was named Naamah from the line of Cain. Then, after the flood, when Noah got drunk, Noah's son, Ham, had sex with his mother, Naamah, (which is the uncovered that seems vague in the current text) who, as a result of this union, bore a son named Canaan. Noah knew how this would affect the balance of good and evil, and cursed the unborn child. After Babel, Noah and his wife split up due to the humiliation; she went with Canaan, and Noah went with Shem and his offspring. The interpretation suggests a division between the righteous lineage of Seth and the unrighteous lineage of Cain, leading to mixed marriages that contributed to the wickedness prompting God's judgment. This could also explain why wickedness is back on the rise. God certainly could have destroyed everything but he chose a surgical neutering of the corrupt line so he could save humanity. If one stepped on and crushed the head of a poisonous snake they certainly wouldn’t be judged as evil.

Susan Chlebos's avatar

Excellent thread!

Darren James's avatar

Gun Stuff! By the LIGHT of Spirit Almighty God had Righteous Reasons for everything He commanded the Israelites to do. Destroying 4th, 5th and 6th generation NEPHILIM cultures was like cutting off a grangrenous limb or removing a cancerous tumour to save the WHOLE.

Michael Barrett's avatar

This is a well written article.

In a men’s Bible study group, we studied the book: The Unseen Realm.

We spent over a year on it and it helped understand many passages I had never understood before.

This shift in context changes the traditional interpretations I was taught as a boy.

It does not nullify, rather expands and enhances modern interpretation of ancient society - and empowers us to see what was written in the context of their world, not ours.

I think your writing and understanding of the material is exceptional.

Jacob Hotchkiss's avatar

very good, brother

Scott Campbell's avatar

I always recommend to listen to the Lord of Spirits podcast, and the Whole Counsel of God pod. Fully illustrative.

JoJo's avatar

Love those guys! I have learned so much from them ❤️

Charlene Neal's avatar

And isn't it interesting that the three areas where the Israelites neglected to fully obey God and completely wipe out the inhabitants of those particular tribes, are the three areas that give Israel the most grief today: the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights!

Alan Lightner's avatar

Evil teachings from the fallen angels are:

1. Virtues of roots and herbs (elicit drug use.. pharmakea)

2. Dyeing and cosmetics ( promote illicit sex)

3. Discoveries of precious materials( love of wealth)

4. Love philtres (witchcraft!)

5. Hatreds (war)

6. Amours (lust)

7. Passions (lust /covetness)

8. Constraints of love (selfishness)

9. Bonds of witchcraft

10. Every sorcery and idolatry (false gods)

11. All focused to promote the hatred for God!

👆note, most of these are contrasted by the 10 commandments!

B Russell's avatar

It's more than the linkage of unclean genes, as Israel was often told to destroy everything- animals, clothing, and any items of the Amalek. Saul lost his kinship when he tried to cover up the spoils of war, only to be told by Samuel to destroy everything!

This implies a spiritual level of uncleanliness that even items touched by the Nephilim descendants were infested with demonic power. For Israel to remain pure and remove all foul influences, it had to be completely separate from things unclean. To take possession of the land God promised, it had to be cleansed of both genetic and spiritual residuals.

That is why God was seen as brutal; He was separating His earthly kingdom of Israel and reserving it totally for Himself. There is complex theology here, warning modern believers to remain unstained by this world, avoiding anything unclean or anything that might become a personal idol.

That is a warning for those who dabble in such hobbies as "ghost busting, mediumship, New Age mythology, psychic phenomena searching, or channeling—even ordinary things like the love of money, possessions, and illicit drugs. All of these things can expose the ignorant follower to unclean influences that will lure them into deep levels of sin and debauchery. Such things will separate us from God.

Rachel A Listener's avatar

When Elijah healed the General from leaprocy, he refused to accept gifts from him as compensation, saying that the healing was God’s doing.

God is immaculate.

One indication we are supposed to wash our hands before we eat.

God is jealous and hates infidelity.

So we are supposed to loyal to Him.

Also to continue to listen to His commandments every day in order to do them so we don’t become victims of these other things.

Like Elijah said to the people at Mount Carmel: “How long will you continue hopping between two gods?! If God is god, follow Him!

If Baal is god, follow him.”

Then he made a contest with the prophets of Baal. They should choose a bull for their sacrifice to Baal, and the other one he would sacrifice to God. But whatever god would answer by fire, 🔥 that would be the one.

So they got their sacrifice ready, and prayed to Baal. Well nothing happened. Then Elijah said “call louder! Maybe he’s sleeping! Or maybe he went on a trip!”

So they screamed and shouted and cut themselves “Oh Baal hear us!”

No answer. All day. No answer.

So At the end of the day, Elijah got his sacrifice ready. And he instructed to dig a trench around it. Then he said “Pour Water 💦 onto it.”

“Do it again.” And, Do it the third time.” So the sacrifice was soaked in water and the trench around it was filled with water.

Then Elijah prayed to God. He asked God to show the people that they might know that He was all powerful.

Suddenly Fire 🔥 shot down from heaven and burned the sacrifice!

It burned the stones that the sacrifice was on! And it burned the water 💦 that was around it in the trench.

Then the people realized that God is God in heaven and on earth.

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

I still don't comprehend what any of that has to do with reality today. What is the purpose of dissecting a bunch of old stories that have nothing to do with the present space or time? Has anybody ever realized that when you spend time infatuated with the past. You are simply squandering the future and being led down a black hole of obscurity. Yes, there are certain things that have happened within the last century that must be remembered in order not to be repeated. But there's something to be said about trying to decipher a five thousand year old self fulfilling prophecy. Maybe that is how humanity is being manipulated by it's dark exposure. Because in those stories the bad guys are in control. #WTFU

Erase the past from the mindset and free yourselves of the spell of that darkness.

Innocent and brave. Unafraid of the unknown and unseen. Open your minds to the possibilities of a future without the wicked. And they will exist no more...

Rocka's avatar

Can't tell if this is coming from ignorance or trolling but I'll just remind you: the idea that ignoring history liberates you is itself one of history's oldest manipulation techniques.

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

I'm no "troll". I have better use of my time than to mess with anyone regarding the current state of humanity. The perspectives regarding your well documented essay hits all "thousand points of light"; to say the least. What the matter is, that those so-called oligarchy are playing a fools' game and the playbooks are used to provide them the excuses for raining hell on earth. It's no longer a secret, the exposure is real, yet all the people sit by and watch the nightmare unfold right before their eyes and are basically hypnotized as their very lives are controlled by an illusion of reality invented by absolute evil. The point of the comment is that the spell has been cast and therefore needs to be broken. And by that means to stop believing what is being manipulated. Thank you for your attention and reply.

God be with you and yours.

BENNY2019's avatar

HERE IS THE LINK :

https://substack.com/home/post/p-190885290

- and also you must know their conflict with Palestinian is fake and staged

Digger B!'s avatar

The Deuteronomists were likely Babylonians, who created the Book of the Law to control the people around Jerusalem, when they fled the Chaldean Army in 539 BCE. It is mostly a collection of local legends, with stories borrowed from neighbouring countries.

110th's avatar

Want to know what an Adult takes from this? Your belief in this God is insane. The god you describe is a fuck up. A MAJOR repeated fuck up. An employee whose job requires a 150 I.Q. when he has an 80 I.Q. at the most. Were I to run my farm as is claimed God ran and runs reality I would starve and freeze...naked.